more bs

[skippy76]

PokerStars Game #15961570463: Tournament #80808525, $5.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round II, Level II (30/60) - 2008/03/13 - 22:00:51 (ET)
Table '80808525 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: STARRYNIGHTZ (3930 in chips)
Seat 2: 7-2aintbad (2070 in chips)
STARRYNIGHTZ: posts small blind 30
7-2aintbad: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to 7-2aintbad [5s 5h]
STARRYNIGHTZ: calls 30
7-2aintbad: raises 180 to 240
STARRYNIGHTZ: raises 3690 to 3930 and is all-in
7-2aintbad: calls 1830 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Js 6h Jd]
*** TURN *** [Js 6h Jd] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Js 6h Jd 6c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
7-2aintbad: shows [5s 5h] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes)
STARRYNIGHTZ: shows [As Ks] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes - Ace kicker)
STARRYNIGHTZ collected 4140 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4140 | Rake 0
Board [Js 6h Jd 6c Qh]
Seat 1: STARRYNIGHTZ (button) (small blind) showed [As Ks] and won (4140) with two pair, Jacks and Sixes
Seat 2: 7-2aintbad (big blind) showed [5s 5h] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Sixes

[ooze]

Where's the BS? You called off your stack on a huge over-bet which best case was a coin-flip. You got what you deserved.

[Sick Fish]

I kinda of have to agree with ooze. You put way to much value on a small pair. I know that pocket pair are good HU, but you're still risking everything preflop with a marginal hand.

[ooze]

I don't know you guys, so I'm not sure how strong your games are, nor how much effort I should put into explaining my thinking. I thought I'd add a few sentances though. The hand posted was played very poorly....and I'm being polite :) This may have been lost by the author after the cards rolled out, and an odd outcome followed. The cards dealt after the play, and the cards held by the opponent however don't matter. It is critical that you understand this. What matters in every poker decision is the players possible holdings, and the possible cards to follow. Your decision needs to consider what could happen, and you should only consider the cards if they differ from your assessment of possible scenarios. I hope that makes sense. If you understand why this play is poor, your game will improve tremendously.

[CaliNaughti]

Hi Skippy, Im going to have to agree here with everyone else, when I am dealt a small mid PP and someone goes all in I never call unless I can aford to call. I usually fold it to a raise. I fI can se the flop for cheap and hit then I am playing the hand! 9 times out of 10 your going to be beat.

With this though..The board made it completely unlucky for you and you would have had this if it hadnt of done so.

[skippy76]

With this though..The board made it completely unlucky for you and you would have had this if it hadnt of done so.

thats what i am refering to as bs... not that i lost a coin flip...i knew when he raised it would be a coin flip... but the way i lost was bs

[ooze]

I knew when he raised it would be a coin flip

How did you know this? In my opinion this overbet could be a higher middle pair, or two overs... I don't think you can know this is a coinflip. Assuming you did however, why did you call?

[skippy76]

How did you know this? In my opinion this overbet could be a higher middle pair, or two overs... I don't think you can know this is a coinflip. Assuming you did however, why did you call?

gut feeling and i was willing to take a 50-50 chance....it doesnt matter, like i said its not that i lost that is bs , but how

[ooze]

gut feeling and i was willing to take a 50-50 chance....it doesnt matter, like i said its not that i lost that is bs , but how

If your willing to take chances like this, poker isn't your game... seriously. You say it doesnt matter, but it absolutely does. Calling this bet is a very bad play. I realize your post was about something else, but do you acknowledge that you played this hand incorrectly?

[skippy76]

ill agree this wasnt the best play, but its the one i made
i was tired of him pushin every time i raised and i felt he was bluffing again so i took my chances

[sin2win]

thats not really bs just a race