Respecting A Raise

[CaliNaughti]

Lately when I have been playing I have noticed that there are a lot of players, and I dont just mean here, but even whil I am in a SNG on Stars, that do not respect my raises. The standard type raise is 3X's the BB. This type of raise should tell a player that you have something, a top 10 hand. I find that I am being reraised alot of the time with players that have any 2 cards..not even suited. Im getting called after I raise 4x's the blinds with AK by players who are playing A rag..Im even getting reraised with people playing Arag..is this Poker Bingo were playing? lol I dont understand this type of play. Why would anyone reraise me with any 2 cards risking that many chips? I have seen players that are chip leaders come to the FT and piss away all their chips reraising and playing inferior hands.Is there no respect any more for a player that you know, that doesnt play crap?

I am enclosing a copy of HH that occured today. He should not have called a raise like this, with a K7 even though it is suited. The flop came up and he has a flush draw and hit bottom pair, he was ahead of me on the flop but I made a continuation bet that he called. He might think Im strong but there was alot of money in the pot, so I understand him calling.The turn comes up giving him a flush, but I checked and he bet out, not alot but a small bet into a large pot. On the river gives me the nut flush, which I checked, then he raised, I reraised he went all in without having the nuts. Ofcourse I call and end doubling up vs. the chipleader. I went on to take down the tourny for 1st place..


PokerStars Game #24533304181: Tournament #138082145, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/02/02 15:07:07 ET
Table '138082145 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BridgePro100 (3785 in chips)
Seat 2: carsalesman (3270 in chips)
Seat 3: maa45 (1350 in chips)
Seat 6: CalifNaughti (3730 in chips)
Seat 9: DiscoDollars (1365 in chips)
CalifNaughti: posts small blind 75
DiscoDollars: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CalifNaughti [Qh Ac]
BridgePro100: calls 150
carsalesman: folds
maa45: folds
CalifNaughti: raises 450 to 600
DiscoDollars: folds
BridgePro100: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [7s 8c 3c]
CalifNaughti: bets 600
BridgePro100: calls 600
*** TURN *** [7s 8c 3c] [6c]
CalifNaughti: checks
BridgePro100: bets 450
CalifNaughti: calls 450
*** RIVER *** [7s 8c 3c 6c] [Qc]
CalifNaughti: bets 600
BridgePro100: raises 600 to 1200
CalifNaughti: raises 600 to 1800
BridgePro100: raises 335 to 2135 and is all-in
CalifNaughti: calls 280 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (55) returned to BridgePro100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BridgePro100: shows [Kc 7c] (a flush, King high)
CalifNaughti: shows [Qh Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
CalifNaughti collected 7610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7610 | Rake 0
Board [7s 8c 3c 6c Qc]
Seat 1: BridgePro100 showed [Kc 7c] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 2: carsalesman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: maa45 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: CalifNaughti (small blind) showed [Qh Ac] and won (7610) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: DiscoDollars (big blind) folded before Flop

[Raise, Ha!]

If I had to put numbers to it I'd say that at least 50% of the players playing any tourneys under $20 buy in will make this chase. The rashional is that villian has 2 bites at a 3-1 shot and the possibliity that you also would have a flush that is higher is about a 7% possibility. They further sell themselves on the idea that if you have 1 pair, 2 pair a set or even a str8 (when applicable) is trumped by a higher ranking hand where all five cards factor into the result.

I must confess that I'd make this chase too in some circumstances however, as chip leader and drawing to a non-nutz flush would probably not be one of them. At these lower levels there is so much loose play that it often becomes showdown poker. A jolt of reality by watching a $1000 buy in tourney helps us to understand the ping pong nature of lower limits. After all, it's just $5 shot in the ass.

[Sick Fish]

I agree with Raise, Ha!

People, especially at PokerStars could care less about their money in the lower level buy-ins.

I'm not trying to sound like Phil Hellmuth here, but I lose more hands to these idiot players than seems possible. Almost every tourney I play in I seem to get it all-in with the best hand before the turn and or the river only to see these idiots catch their 5 outer or less.

I'm getting to the point where I don't really feel like playing much anymore online, not that I've been playing that much for the last year or so, but it's just a waste. Sitting there playing a solid tourney and having to face player after player who will gladly play any two cards is tough. You can't defend yourself against all of them. All you can do is hope that you don't get done dirty.

[Adaon]

This is where I love to play a deepstack game. Blinds are 10/20 and I have QQ with 3000 in chips. I'll probably open raise to 200 to exploit people's weakness to call. Now I probably have to fold it when an Ace hits the flop, but I made them put in chips in a bad situation, and that is always the goal in poker.

[Holdem Freak]

This is where I love to play a deepstack game. Blinds are 10/20 and I have QQ with 3000 in chips. I'll probably open raise to 200 to exploit people's weakness to call. Now I probably have to fold it when an Ace hits the flop, but I made them put in chips in a bad situation, and that is always the goal in poker.

Except for when you are playing me :D:D

[Sick Fish]

So I was looking for a little respect of my own today. Here's the hand. At first I was just going to limp in. The table had been pretty aggressive up to this point. The only thing is, it was usually one person would raise 3-5x the BB and then someone would come over the top all-in and take the pot down. That was happening almost every other hand. After I limped and got raised I didn't expect that many others to call the first raise. I knew if I just called I was probably just throwing away my chips. My other option was to fold... or do what I did instead.

Event Name: BCS Event 7 $1,500 GTD NLH (#4911553)
Event Started: Thursday, February 5 1:00:02 PM PST 2009
Event Type: Real Money Tournament
Buy-In: $25+$2.50 or 1 BCS Tokens
Prize Pool: $2,350 (94 entries). $1,500 was guaranteed.
Game: No Limit Hold 'em
Level IV: 100/200 Blinds (25 Minimum Chip)
Starting Chips: 10,000
Remaining Players: 70 (94 started)
Seat 1 : Cold_Toast starts with 12,800
Seat 2 : NoBigKicker starts with 16,650
Seat 3 : -sumbeach- starts with 4,300
Seat 5 : hatters1988 starts with 8,900
Seat 6 : Melorca starts with 7,925
Seat 7 : bubbles59 starts with 11,350
Seat 8 : mikacehole starts with 9,575
Seat 9 : benagain starts with 6,200
Seat 10 : --RaGz-- starts with 17,325
Seat 7 : bubbles59 has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
NoBigKicker dealt down Qc Qd
mikacehole posts the small blind 100
benagain posts the big blind 200
--RaGz-- folds
Cold_Toast raises 200 to 400
NoBigKicker calls 400
-sumbeach- folds
hatters1988 raises 1,500 to 1,900
Melorca calls 1,900
bubbles59 calls 1,900
mikacehole folds
benagain folds
Cold_Toast calls 1,500
NoBigKicker raises 14,750 to 16,650 and is all-in
hatters1988 calls 7,000 and is all-in
Melorca calls 6,025 and is all-in
bubbles59 folds
Cold_Toast folds
NoBigKicker takes back 7,750
>>>DEALING FLOP<<< [ Kc 5s 8h ]
>>>DEALING TURN<<< [ Qs ]
>>>DEALING RIVER<<< [ Td ]
NoBigKicker shows three of a kind, queens (cards were Qd Qc)
hatters1988 shows a pair of aces (cards were As Ad)
Melorca shows a pair of jacks (cards were Jd Jsp)
NoBigKicker wins 1,950 with three of a kind, queens
NoBigKicker wins 27,875 with three of a kind, queens
Melorca finishes in 70th place
hatters1988 finishes in 69th place
>>>SUMMARY<<<
Hand Ended: Thursday, February 5 1:52:51 PM PST 2009
Total Pot: 29,825
Board: [ Kc 5s 8h Qs Td ]
Seat 1 : Cold_Toast lost 1,900, folded pre-flop
Seat 2 : NoBigKicker bet 8,900, won 29,825, net +20,925, showed hand [ Qc Qd ]
Seat 3 : -sumbeach- did not bet
Seat 4 : Rastachyr was sitting out
Seat 5 : betty was sitting out
Seat 6 : Melorca busted out in 70th place, showed hand [ Js Jd ]
Seat 7 : bubbles59 (button) lost 1,900, folded pre-flop
Seat 8 : mikacehole (small blind) lost 100, folded pre-flop
Seat 9 : benagain (big blind) lost 200, folded pre-flop
Seat 10 : --RaGz-- did not bet

Because of some of the hands that I'd seen played I really didn't expect anyone to have pocket aces. I just thought they were calling to see a flop and hopefully catch a nice pot. By pushing I thought maybe I could get the Ace and King whatevers to fold.

This is one of those hands that you HAVE to remember while playing in a tournament. That way later on at the final table when you find yourself a SS and you're dealt 10-10, you push the rest of your chips in and get called by the BB because it's only 1/8th of his stack with 9-8os. You can't be pissed when he catches a straight and you end up finishes 8th.

[Yoda]

Lately when I have been playing I have noticed that there are a lot of players, and I dont just mean here, but even whil I am in a SNG on Stars, that do not respect my raises. The standard type raise is 3X's the BB. This type of raise should tell a player that you have something, a top 10 hand. I find that I am being reraised alot of the time with players that have any 2 cards..not even suited. Im getting called after I raise 4x's the blinds with AK by players who are playing A rag..Im even getting reraised with people playing Arag..is this Poker Bingo were playing? lol I dont understand this type of play. Why would anyone reraise me with any 2 cards risking that many chips? I have seen players that are chip leaders come to the FT and piss away all their chips reraising and playing inferior hands.Is there no respect any more for a player that you know, that doesnt play crap?

I am enclosing a copy of HH that occured today. He should not have called a raise like this, with a K7 even though it is suited. The flop came up and he has a flush draw and hit bottom pair, he was ahead of me on the flop but I made a continuation bet that he called. He might think Im strong but there was alot of money in the pot, so I understand him calling.The turn comes up giving him a flush, but I checked and he bet out, not alot but a small bet into a large pot. On the river gives me the nut flush, which I checked, then he raised, I reraised he went all in without having the nuts. Ofcourse I call and end doubling up vs. the chipleader. I went on to take down the tourny for 1st place..





PokerStars Game #24533304181: Tournament #138082145, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2009/02/02 15:07:07 ET
Table '138082145 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: BridgePro100 (3785 in chips)
Seat 2: carsalesman (3270 in chips)
Seat 3: maa45 (1350 in chips)
Seat 6: CalifNaughti (3730 in chips)
Seat 9: DiscoDollars (1365 in chips)
CalifNaughti: posts small blind 75
DiscoDollars: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CalifNaughti [Qh Ac]
BridgePro100: calls 150
carsalesman: folds
maa45: folds
CalifNaughti: raises 450 to 600
DiscoDollars: folds
BridgePro100: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [7s 8c 3c]
CalifNaughti: bets 600
BridgePro100: calls 600
*** TURN *** [7s 8c 3c] [6c]
CalifNaughti: checks
BridgePro100: bets 450
CalifNaughti: calls 450
*** RIVER *** [7s 8c 3c 6c] [Qc]
CalifNaughti: bets 600
BridgePro100: raises 600 to 1200
CalifNaughti: raises 600 to 1800
BridgePro100: raises 335 to 2135 and is all-in
CalifNaughti: calls 280 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (55) returned to BridgePro100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BridgePro100: shows [Kc 7c] (a flush, King high)
CalifNaughti: shows [Qh Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
CalifNaughti collected 7610 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7610 | Rake 0
Board [7s 8c 3c 6c Qc]
Seat 1: BridgePro100 showed [Kc 7c] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 2: carsalesman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: maa45 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: CalifNaughti (small blind) showed [Qh Ac] and won (7610) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: DiscoDollars (big blind) folded before Flop

Im gonna attack this from a few different points. As already stated, the lower the buyin, the more chasers your gonna have it very true. $5 sng can be easy and nutty at same time. I find less callers inthe $10 sng, but still always a few donks. What I find less of is the limping in to pots..In most $5 sng, there is a ton of limpers as it seems to decline as the amount og buy in goes up.

in your hand, there is a few things to talk about.with the early limp from the big stack, I would have been a littler reserved to bet 3x then the 4x you did. After the flop, which he called a pretty good raise with, ib be pretty cautious. why he woudl call with K rag cc is beyond me. from there, Its played out like most players woud play it from both sides.

your initial question was, " Lately when I have been playing I have noticed that there are a lot of players, and I dont just mean here, but even whiel I am in a SNG on Stars, that do not respect my raises"
I kinda think respect is earned each and every time you play a game. If you were caught with bad cards in a sng, it gonna hurt to get pots later in game, while showing strong hands early on will get you alot of respect later int he game. knowing your image and how many times your raising will make a big difference to how much respect you get.

I would like to see the whole hand history of sng to see what your i mage was. This is only one factor to getting the calls. the other being thats donks have no idea who is tight or what image players have. Thats for you to decide. Thats why I think bigger buyins weed out some of the players who dont pay attention to detail...mind you , only a few.

Yoda

[GiJoeValdez]

Cali this is a good thing right? Ofcourse I call and end doubling up vs. the chipleader. I went on to take down the tourny for 1st place..


With all the junk callers on the net out there its tough to play your game especially when they hit their cards and you don't.

I am finding out to succeed in Online poker you have to play Ultra-tight and have patience. Wait for the right cards and double up. Once all those calling stations are gone then you put the pressure on the remaining players.

Good job with the hand, and good luck.