TOTAL BSSSSSSSS!!!

[Misty]

Originally Posted by Melina 07

it wasnt made yet misty all you had made was trips(easy to beat) and a bad low draw. sure you had all those draws a str8 draw a flush draw(not nutz) a made hand is the nutz with no cards that can beat you you had possibility of not only losing half the pot but the whole thing and you did. Sorry luv ya but no way i call that all in with just trips a few ok draws and a crappy low a blind or 2 is max id call

ps didnt call your hand crap called the race a crap shoot I know it was on the flop I liked the preflop call

but but but....

sighs.


Ok, let's agree to disagree here...cus honestly I disagree, still. We still friends? hugssssssssss !!

[Adaon]

While not an expert on omaha hi lo, I can't say I would have played that hand in the first place. Unless you hit the king on the flop it's a tough hand to play (unless an ace hits then you could safely fold). Double suited, or better low cards would improve it by a lot but still would warrant cautious play unless on the button.

But that said, on the flop the best case to be made for not shoving is to get value out of your hand, the only way shoving works for you is against another set, otherwise you are pricing out bad hands that would call and make you money in the long term.

[Kat]

Originally Posted by Adaon

While not an expert on omaha hi lo, I can't say I would have played that hand in the first place. Unless you hit the king on the flop it's a tough hand to play (unless an ace hits then you could safely fold). Double suited, or better low cards would improve it by a lot but still would warrant cautious play unless on the button.

But that said, on the flop the best case to be made for not shoving is to get value out of your hand, the only way shoving works for you is against another set, otherwise you are pricing out bad hands that would call and make you money in the long term.

The purpose of shoving is to either force out the low draws or charge them to chase 1/2 the pot.

[Misty]

Originally Posted by Kat

The purpose of shoving is to either force out the low draws or charge them to chase 1/2 the pot.

Exactly what my goal was! I mean if he's gonna chase his low hand...isn't it justified to make him pay for it? I would think this is +EV...but with all the negative feedback I've been getting on this hand, it's really confusing to know what to think.

I really still like how I played this hand. It only cost me 300 to see the flop and then post flop I really liked how I played it.

One player had an all in of 1k or something and the other player (my opponent) called that 1k and seeing as I had a little over 5k, what's the point of raising? Raising to what?...to keep 2k in my stack? Not worth it imo...so I shoved. What happened to making ur opponent pay to chase?

My hand was the best, when money went all in...that's how I look at it.


As for Kat...tyty (nice to get some good solid, positive feedback)

[apaintn]

In this instance, i think that both plays were proper.
If you look at the 2 opponents hand, were they wrong to get in?, this is a Hi-Lo game after all.

The 2 players that came in with A2 had many ways to win a portion of the pot.

Player 'aynali' needed 4578(x4)=16 outs to hit the low
Player 'hokiejeff' needed 4578(x4)=16 outs to hit the low

I think i would be going for half and if the 45 hit the low would be freerolling to high to bust any set, and if the 3 or 6 came eithe player had a shot at quads.

Next time if you decide to play KK25, one suit, play it carefully so you wont be upset if you lose this silly omaha starting hand, even if you hit the set. GL

[northerngent]

It is almost impossible to calculate outs in Omaha and I have actually had this arguement before with a friend of mine....My arguement does not so much apply to this hand because there are only 7 people sitting at the table.

However, if there were 9 people sitting at the table 9X4 is 36 leaving only 16 cards left in the deck. After the flop comes, you are down to only 13 cards left in the deck, so the most outs you can possibly have is 13 and that is only if every last card helps you and that your outs are not taking by other people. You have to assume that other players have your outs as well.

You may have 18 outs, lets say, but that is statistically impossible at a 9 player table.

So here it is 7 x4 which is 28, and after the flop is 31 cards in play, leaving 21, so your outs can not possibly be more than 21, i am not saying that you said that, just applying my theory lol...

[Kat]

you might as well argue that if you have more outs than the # cards in the stub that any card that comes off is an out thus you're 100% likely to make your draw.

[PokerRef]

Play in low buy-in MTTs and you get those kind of calls. By you going all in after the flop without the nuts, you give the drawing player little choice and in a $2 MTT most will call and hope for the best. If you on the other hand try to keep the pot low until you see the turn and river card and then determine if you have the winning hand and bet accordingly. I know your thinking I'm nuts to think that way but sometimes losing less and staying alive is the better alternative.

[northerngent]

I hear what you are saying and of course that would be a great way to look at it, but it is also a dangerous way to look at it lol

[PARocket630]

No comment on the hand I just love the passion. Thats why we play the game.